So, I was started to think that while I have downtime with #HoopaCup I'd cover my upcoming RGTS' on a video and I decided to record one from the Gyarados I am RGTSing today.
The video went well, but in the end I ended up deleting it because I just went on tangent on how to use it and then I noticed that on my recording software there still was "#HoopaCup Analysis" -text. And as it had nothing to do with #HoopaCup and I was too lazy to remove the writing in post edit I decided to come to my blog and pretty much write out what I said in the video and do the video format starting from my next RGTS sometime next week when #HoopaCup R3 has begun.
So, my next RGTS is, as you know,
BounceStall Gyarados
I am not sure if it was I who invented this set or if this was used before me. But back in 4th gen I loved running this set on VGC Doubles with tons of hazards and chipdamage.
The Gyara goes like this:
Gyarados @
Leftovers
Impish Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD OR 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Intimidate
~Bounce
~Roar (Dragon tail in current gen!) / Iron Head (current gen, old set had Outrage or Ice Fang) / Protect
~Toxic
~Waterfall
So, the plan is simple, throw a
Toxic on opponent and then just bounce away. Then phase opponent out when it is about to faint to do that when it next switches in to hazards you hopefully already have up. Waterfall is there for STAB.
Now, the options for Iron Head and Protect are there for "strictly" doubles purposes. Because in doubles the strategy is little bit different and it revolves around the synergy of two of your Pokémon against two of your opponents ones. For example, I used to run this set on a doubles sandstorm team with Hippowdon and Gliscor doing their thing. I'll talk about them little bit later.
Leftovers is pretty much mandatory. One could argue that Sitrus berry could work in doubles, but after testing tons of things I figured that lefties is just a way too valuable of an asset to heal that ~8% of your health restored while bouncing is super important and may help you survive just one more hit!
With EV's you have some leeway. I like going full defenses because the point of this set isn't to do damage and mostly utilize Gyarados' GREAT base bulk, especially after intimidate.
So the point of this set is super simple, but using it nowadays isn't and the reason for that are two Pokémon:
Ferrothorn and Excadrill.
Those two are so common that it's dumb. You can't poison them, they do not take damage from sandstorm and they can kill Gyarados without any problems. Back in 4th gen there were very few Pokémon that actually could straight up wall this set. Skarmory being the most common one. Of course fast electric types like Raikous and Zapdoses running wild are still a problem, but not as big as just getting straight up walled by steels, especially now that fairies are thing they're even more common.
Just a word about electric types: They also can't get paralysed anymore by bounce, so that's also a bummer.
So, if you can find yourself against a team that doesn't have Pokémon that can wall this set you are set. You can wreak havoc by right plays and predictions, but that requires you to have support. This set cannot sweep, not even if you're playing against your cat.
Potential teammates, singles:
You. Want. Hazards. Gyaradoses worst nightmares Tentacruel and Ferrothorn are great for this. Both can set up hazards and spin opponents own away. Ferrothorn of course being better in most situations, as it also resists the electric type moves opponents tend to throw against Gyara. Sandstorm or hail aren't bad additions either, sandstorm being more useful one in higher tiers, so T-tar or Hippowdon are great when supporting this set. Again, both Pokémon can set Stealth Rocks and have Sand Stream as an ability. There is this great little move called Venoshock that doubles its power if opponent is poisoned. Only problem is that not many Pokémon that are not outclassed by others aren't in higher tiers, good news is that Gengar learns it. Be it just a classic Scarfed Gengar set or an MegaGengar, with so reliable source of toxics flying around, using a moveslot for Venoshock may not be a bad idea. Gengar also can carry HP Fire to remove those pesky Ferrothorns that your Gyarados so hates.
Back in the day I used to run Gliscor with Hippowdon in my team. Gliscor was just a basic SD Offensive set and Hippo set up Stealth Rocks, yawned, EQ'd and Crunched opponents ot oblivion. That should give you guys an hint on what you could look at when building a singles team around this Gyara!
Potential teammates, doubles:
So, this team shines in doubles. Doubles has its own strategy and style of play where you usally do not see hazards and teams are built to have pairs that support each other. Now, if you are able to mess that synergy up you get an upper hand 99% out of the time. That's why this set used to be so good. It adored when hazards were set up and opponents team got shuffled. Also, in doubles you could free that roar / dt slot from Gyara for third damage option and have your partner do shuffling.
as a doubles my lead pair was (double weak to electricity, yay!)
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Impish nature
252 HP / 4 def / 252 SpD
Intimidate
~Bounce
~Toxic
~Ice Fang
~Waterfall
&
Skarmory @ Lum berry
Bold nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Sturdy
~Roost
~Whirlwind
~Stealth Rock
~Taunt
The point was just to keep opponent at bay and keep shuffling threats away with whirlwind. If it seemed that the opponent was particularly electric heavy, I swapped my Skarmory with my Hippowdon which I also ran in doubles.
Hippowdon @ Expert Belt
Adamant Nature
252HP / 252 Att / 4 Def
~Earthquake
~Slack Off
~Stealth Rock
~Ice Fang / Rock Slide
So, this was my all out badass destroy everything and all things you love Hippowdon that people really didn't expect. Usually people focused their efforts to my Gyarados which allowed me to first switch it out and away to safety from super effective hit and then either kill the opponent with EQ/RS depending on what I had against me at the time. If I was facing tons of Zapdoses I usually went RS over Ice Fang, but if stuff like Raikou was being problematic I usually had this guy run Ice fang in case of dragons, which at that point were a much more problematic things.
Now, these sets and Pokémon don't probably work as well nowadays because of the checks changing and coverage changing and just Pokémon doing things better / worse.
But no fret, couple of Pokémon I already thought about being a good partner for this Gyara:
Meowstics ♂: Prankster and tons of possibilities to support and disturb your opponents while Gyarados throws its status around and bounces up is really good. Another option for doing pretty much the same thing is
Klefki which in many ways is even better, thanks to great typing.
Ferrothorn: Again, Gyarados HATES playing against this guy, but when it is on your side you can have it set up SR, Spikes and even more Toxics while doing tons of damage with Gyro ball. You can also have it manually use Sandstorm for even more chipdamage!
Things with lightningrod: Thanks to changes to this ability, things targeted to Gyarados and baiting discharges with Gyarados Protecting, stuff like
MegaSceptile is actually a GREAT choice. It quad resists lightning type moves and out-tanks tons of threaths, while revenge killing them afterwards.
Pachirisu: As shown in last years worlds, Pachirisu brings in great support potential and especially in niche situations like this. Super Fang halves health of toxic'd Pokémon Follow Me brings single target moves targeted at Gyarados towards the rodent, allowing Gyara to do more of its magic.
Spinners, Defoggers, Stealthrockers, spikers, whirlwinders...: Like in singles you need hazards. They aren't really that common in doubles so only by bringing some of them you can mess opponent up.
Skarmory again is a GREAT choice for this. It really hasn't fallen except when compared to Ferrothorn, but Skarm can do tons of support-ish things that Ferro can't. It can learn defog, SR and Spikes while roosting all the damage away. It also gets Brave Bird, but you wouldn't run that in doubles. So it loses little bit of ferros damage potential, but brings in crucial things that Gyara needs to shine.
There are tons more of potential teammates for singles and doubles. You just have to figure them out!
So that's that. Let me just add a small tl;dr to the end to sum this up:
With this set probably is quite hard to pull off any fancy games because of the steel types that run rampant. You need hazards and chip damage to be able to utilize this Gyarados set to its fullest. Best potential teammates include Pokémon that can set up sandstorm / hail and use Stealth Rock, Spikes or Toxic Spikes.
Shines in doubles, where switching and hazards are more rare. Relies on surprise element.
Please, tell me either in comments or tweet me would you like for me to continue writing these / making videos about these? I quite enjoy doing these and would love your feedback.
Let's see tomorrow when I give these bad boys away!
With love
Kim